PayPal's Insensitivity to It's Customers

Sometime in May, my PayPal account was marked for 'limited account access' - a nice way of saying that they will happily collect money for you but will not disburse it to you. This, they say, is done for the greater good of assuring that one's account is indeed secure. I wrote through their email portal on their site and explained the recurring costs I have to Linden Lab (I am Nobody Fugazi in Second Life), and they cleared that up for me. In May.

But then, in June, this limited account access came back with a vengeance. The case is PP-490-015-326, so they say, and the reasoning of the limited access is:

Jun. 11, 2008: Our system detected unusual activity on a credit card linked to your PayPal account.

I held off on writing this in the hope that they would prove what I thought wrong. And yet, almost a month later, here we are.

So I went to my bank's website, and there is no activity that was not normal. There was no 'unusual activity'; what had happened was that my old debit card from the bank had expired and I was issued a new one. I attempted to change the date, but then PayPal found that my address had changed as well - it is no longer in Florida, but now in Trinidad and Tobago. No secret, that. And their system does not permit for the change of address to Trinidad and Tobago because the alleged industry leaders in internet financial transactions have not realized that one can have a legitimate bank account in one country while residing in another. It appears to be magic to them that this could happen, as their system cannot cope.

Being a legitimate person with a legitimate bank account and so forth, I decided to play their game of 'show that you really are where you say you are'. This included sending electronic copies of bank statements, which I get in PDF format. Oddly, PayPal doesn't accept PDF uploads. A screenshot of the PDF upload was too large for their meager system to handle. They want me to fax them information to prove I am where I am - utility bills and such - but guess what? I just had to move, and the bills are not in my name. Further, why the heck should I have to fax something to them if they allegedly have an upload facility? Why should I continue to spend more money to try to get the money back from them which they are withholding with seemingly no reason? In most parts of the world, this is called theft.

I have no doubt that their terms of service legitimize their actions, but those terms of service must assume that their infrastructure for handling such issues works. It does not. Granted, my circumstances are not what some would consider to be normal - but they are legitimate circumstances and have left me with a PayPal account that is not only unusable - it has funds that I deposited to PayPal in good faith.

In the interim, I demanded an email address to actually correspond with someone at PayPal. This has not been realized; the web form submits to the Customer Service department who then cheerfully sends me a message that they have forwarded my message to the appropriate department. The only response I got out of that department is that they would not restore my account access - and that was basically the end of the 'discussion'. There was no return email address that I could respond to, just a message from 'on high'.

What sort of company treats people like that?

In the interim, I saw that I would lose my islands in Second Life should this continue - and it has - so a friend, Sarah Nerd, intervened and took the islands off of my hands to assure that the people who are tenants on Second Life servers do not lose what they were paying for. That, thankfully, took - and oddly, this required Linden Lab straightening out my billing information which they did in less than 3 days. The only reason that I had been using PayPal was because Linden Lab had not been able to straighten out my account - but, lo! Linden Lab came through where PayPal was unable to.

Maybe Linden Lab should take over PayPal. Or PayMal, as the case may be.

I have money in an account that PayPal arbitrarily stole. It's methods of redress do not work. This is theft. And if it can happen to me, someone who only moved small amounts of money back and forth from Linden Lab, then it can happen to you. Indeed, PayPal reminds me of former banking institutions in Second Life such as Ginko Financial. After all, because of their action and inaction I have lost two simulators in Second Life, a full simulator and an Open Simulator.

What can I say? I'm just a little guy and the big bad corporation says it needs my money more than I do. An army of lawyers at their side and no way to actually communicate with a human being demonstrates why it is folly to use PayPal for anything.

Drop your PayPal account if you can. Or if you must, keep as small of a balance as you can despite the lure of their Money Market interest. The second they can get their hands on your funds, they will steal it from you and send you all sorts of messages you cannot respond to.

Thieves. To me, they are thieves and they have a long way in making me happy.

A start would be giving me a money back. Even treating me as a human being and allowing me to discuss with someone instead of typing in a web form to have information forwarded to another department would be better. But they have demonstrated their own unreliability.

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Sue them. You are jumping through their hoops. Contact a lawyer and see what happens.

That is an option that remains open.

Honestly, since my PayPal account uses an email address from this very same domain, I'm wondering if someone in PayPal can now piece together the information in such a fashion to give me what I am due. I am doing this the right way and am giving them the opportunity to handle this properly.

Should they not do that, I will look into legal recourse for damages.

Paypal

I was very interested in your comments about Paypal & agree 100% that they are legalised crime who have no regard for anyone or anything but themselves. No business can get away with treating their customers the way they do indefinitely. They took $1280 out of my account because a buyer of a set of 10 goods I sold as one lot on Ebasy lied, deceived, even doctored photographs to try to get money out of me, he wanted a refund of $370 but Paypal steals $1280 out of my account but not only that, there wasn't enough in the account so they charged my credit card for the remainder, it is f***ing disgusting, it's lucky for them they don't have a customer support dept in Australia because I'd camp out the front of their offices to warn others as to what they think they can do & indeed do. No-matter what way you look at it, it is theft, if you or me interfered with someone elses bank account in this way we'd be locked up but seeing it's someone that's been given a little bit of power by their licensed private bank boss it is regarded as OK or so they seem to think anyway.
I am persuing them through a couple of Gov Depts in Australia that is & intend to make as much trouble as I possibly can for them & get every cent they stole from me, unfortunately Ebay is exactly the same, I suppose because it's the same parent company but they don't give a damn either. The sooner there is a viable competitor to these two holier than thou
arrogant companies the better, it really is disgusting & if I hadn't gone through it myself I probably wouldn't believe that ANY Company could treat their customers with such contempt, this attitude is part of the reason the banking Industry is in such turmoil now & we're supposaed to bail them out. It now seems the world over, if you do the right thing & trust you are acted against & persecuted but if you're a thief & conman you not only away with crime you get rewarded as well, it truly is a f***ing joke, unfortunately it's on us.
Anyway, I hope you get some justice.
Cheers
Grae

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PayPal are professional theives and get away with grand theft

PayPal is a professional theif, frauduelnt company who makes these charges agianst their real customers... the sellers who bring them money, plain and simple.

we had an account for 7 years and without GOOD reason, they limited the account with over 3000 dollars in it. Every and any business is going to have compaints. name one larger company that doesnt have SOME complaints.

Since Paypal restricted the receiving of any new funds, more complaints rolled in (becuase we had no money to ship products) and of course took the funds that were in the account. I was the idiot who trusted them as my sole income source so all our money was tied up with them. It was a snowball effect. I was under the impression that any negative funds from paypal were automaticaly taken from our REAL bank acocunt. This is not so.

SO YOU BUYERS ARE NOT PROTECTED! AT ALL.

I have to authorize paypal to take money from my bank. Thankfully, I must add.

in the end, they win and we lose. I lost my business of 7 years.

why?

They have more money than the rest of us and that money is probably NOT THEIRS.

many law suits have been filed against them. somehow they continue to update their TYRANNICAL policy that seems to override all laws. BUT MY policy on my business is INVALID according to them! Somehow theirs overrides ours and again, real laws.

PayPal are professional thieves just like ALL the private Central Banks (Feeral Reserve) are when they lend money that doesnt exist (Fiat money) and then collect interest on it when it is paid back. why are these institutions allowed to exsist? when will the poeple do something about it? because that is all it takes.

no government, no matter how dictatorial or tyrannical will submit to the masses of the governed when the governed are sick of it and rise up.

PayPal

Has anyone been through HELL with PayPal trying to get anything done? Do they care about their customers?? I run a bathroom and kitchen remodeling company. I decided to give PayPal a try to accept payments via my web site. THEY WILL NOT GIVE ME A DAMN DEBIT CARD to extract those $$$'s! All I get is,"I'm sorry sir for the inconvienience" but nothing get's done. I jumped through every hoop they have asked me to jump through. I suspect that they will not give me a debit card because they make more money off of me when i "Withdrawl" money and transfer it to my bank account. Has anyone experienced a simalr problem with PayPal?

John Wilson

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